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Friday, March 19, 2010

Democrat Rep. Ellsworth Will Vote "Yes" on ObamaCare; Fox News Says Democrats Now Have the Votes

Democrats have just picked up another vote on Health Care. Indiana Rep. Brad Ellsworth has announced he will vote "Yes" on Health Care Reform when it comes up for vote on Sunday:

Another big get for Dems: Rep Brad Ellsworth, a former Yes vote who shared the concerns of the Stupak dozen and was intensely wooed by both sides, will vote Yes on the Senate bill, his spokesman confirms to me.

“He’s a Yes,” Jonathan Kott, communications director for Ellsworth, just said by phone. “He will vote in favor of health care reform.”

A press release detailing his rationale is forthcoming from his office.

This is a key get for Dems, because it could make it easier for his fellow Indiana Dem Joe Donnelly, who’s also undecided and said to be persuaded by Stupak’s concerns, to support the bill. It could also make it easier for other Stupak holdouts to come on board. . . MORE

Fox News is now saying Democrats have reached 216 "Yes" or "Leaning Yes" votes. Other counts still have them short by two votes or more.


Anonymous,  March 19, 2010 at 6:42 PM  

Then call the vote now...

Brian March 19, 2010 at 7:30 PM  

They say 72 hours must pass from the time they posted the bill that will be voted on. That would not be until after 2 PM on Sunday.

Larry S March 19, 2010 at 7:34 PM  

So we have just under another 48 hours of rightwing blathering and whining?

Brian March 19, 2010 at 9:03 PM  

You wish. The way Dems are going to ram this through, there will be an ongoing outcry from Republicans, Independents, and many Democrats from now to November. The "self-executing rule" that Democrats are about to employ applies to more than parliamentary procedure.

Larry S March 19, 2010 at 10:10 PM  

You really are a political twit, aren't you? If the Democrats have the 216 votes, they won't need to use the "self-executing rule" nonsense.

And, while I'd take healthcare reform even if it meant using the parliamentary chicanery of the "deem and pass" strategy, I would wholeheartedly agree that Democrats who used this tactic to hide their support of healthcare reform should be turned out of office in November. Stand up for what you believe in, or get out.

But don't get too worked up about the handful of protestors. They never voted for a Democrat in their life to begin with.. so no Democratic candidate will lose any sleep over their empty threats.

Brian March 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM  

Whether they use it or not, they have already done the damage by being willing to use it. It has been talked about constantly for days now, and it will be forever associated with the outcome in the minds of many.

By the way. If you can't make a comment without being abusive, you are not welcome here. I don't appreciate it. I try to be civil to you even though you do nothing here but insult conservatives. No one makes you come here. If you are going to comment, just state your views but stop insulting people here personally.

Larry S March 20, 2010 at 12:15 PM  

"The "self-executing rule" that Democrats are about to employ applies to more than parliamentary procedure."

Those were YOUR WORDS, Brian. Not mine. You're going to lecture me about civility, when you're slyly suggesting that people should be "executed"? Really?

I don't disagree at all with your contention that "whether or not they use it" isn't the issue. But that is NOT what you said earlier. You said that they WERE ABOUT TO EMPLoY IT as a statement of fact, right after saying that the Dems had the necessary 216votes. That's (sorry) just silly.

By the way, where was your righteous indignation about self-executing rules being used as a parliamentary gimmick to pass legislation when both parties have done this, repeatedly, over the years? This isn't something that Nancy Pelosi and Company just invented on their own. Politics -- especially parliamentary gimmicks -- are used by political parties whenever and wherever it suits their purposes. In fact, one of the best known parliamentary gimmicks is called "the filibuster". Has the Republican Party used that one?

Brian March 20, 2010 at 1:20 PM  


Even people in your party say it has NEVER been used for passing legislation like this. Here is Lawrence O'Donnell saying so on MSNBC:


I absolutely think they may still use "Deem-and-pass" because the purpose of it is to allow Democrats to vote on the fix package and not have to go on record as having voted directly for the Senate Health Care Bill. It's a matter of avoiding responsibility. When looked at from that perspective, it is not "silly" to think they would use it. Just watch this video of Democrat Rep. Chaka Fattah today, who said they ARE going to use "deem-and-pass" tomorrow even if they are sure they have 216 votes:

Either way, this will be put around their neck all through the Fall campaign.

By the way. In no way was I suggesting Democrats should be "executed." I was saying that by ramming ObamaCare through against the will of the people, they are "self-executing" - killing themselves politically.

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