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Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Mother of a Flight 93 Hero Confronts Attorney General Eric Holder in Senate Hearing Room over NYC Trial - Video 11/18/09

Here is video of the mother of a Flight 93 (Mark Bingham) hero who confronted Attorney General Eric Holder today in the hearing room of the Senate Committee today where he had just testified. She did it firmly but graciously and respectfully.

Alice Hoagland told Holder - “I take great exception to the decision to give short shrift to the military commissions and to put the five most heinous criminals and war criminals into court in New York City. It will give these ugly people, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh especially, very eloquent access to all the media sources in the United States.”

She made it clear she is very skeptical of this decision, but graciously said at the end she would defer to his judgment. What a courageous woman.


Anonymous,  November 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM  

what a piece of lying excrement

Westbrook,  November 18, 2009 at 8:42 PM  

Incredible that Holder says that the 0bamatrons are "finally going to do something" about trying these war criminals. What LIE! They were being tried by a military tribunal, but 0bama halted the tribunal process shortly after taking office. Now we know why.

Dave November 19, 2009 at 3:20 AM  

He is an unbelievably arrogant man.

r4 dsi November 19, 2009 at 4:57 AM  

This show trial and political platform may well be the Administrations Waterloo. They will end up hanging themselves not the prisoners. Very well spoken woman.

Larry S November 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM  

This is, what, his fifth or sixth so-called Waterloo? If you rightwingers keep predicting it, sooner or later you may be right.

Anonymous,  November 22, 2009 at 3:02 PM  

If these men weren't waterboarded, does this mother believe we would have gotten information from them. She was gracious, but this attitude that the last adminstration did something wrong when they waterboarded these men is ridiculous.

Larry S November 22, 2009 at 8:59 PM  

Waterboarding isn't ridiculous, it's criminal. It's torture. WE prosecuted Japanese officers who waterboarded our POWs during WWII.

Any information that was gotten out of KSM was gotten by the FBI interrogators, before waterboarding was ever conducted by the CIA at Cheney's command. We got nothing from them after waterboarding, except a huge black eye.

Unknown November 23, 2009 at 9:06 AM  

We did not waterboard Japanese prisoners! That lie has been debunked, check it out.

Anonymous,  November 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM  

Larry S...you're spouting off statements as fact yet you provide no proof. KSM gave nothing until he was waterboarded. This has been stated by interrogators of him. You're FBI claim is false. BTW...how's that "Hopenchange" working out for you? Have you lost YOUR job yet? I hope you do.

Larry S November 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM  

Carl, please look again. I didn't say we waterboarded Japanese prisoners. I said that the Japanese waterboarded OUR guys who were prisoners of war.

And Anon? The only source you have for any of that drivel is Dick Cheney.

Anonymous,  November 26, 2009 at 12:02 AM  


Dead wrong.

Nice try, though. Goebbels would have been proud.

Diogenes November 26, 2009 at 1:10 PM  

Where to start?

Well, how about a rightwingnut blogger citing ANOTHER rightwingnut blogger as "proof" of anything?

But I actually wasted five minutes reading your link. And guess what? Despite the false claim of your rightwingnut compadre, what the Japanese did WAS water-boarding, if you bother to read it.

The "water torture" in question is cited as such:

"... by fastening him on a stretcher and pouring water up his nostrils."

That's what waterboarding IS, dimwit.

And your buddy claims it's not waterboarding, because the Japanese poured water "DIRECTLY into their nose and mouth" (his words, not mine). Our CIA goons, on the other hand, put a rag over the victim's nose and mouth to "PREVENT water from entering the nose and mouth" (again, his words, not mine).

Hell, it's a shame that those folks down in New Orleans didn't realize that a rag could hold back a sizeable quantity of water flowing downward due to gravity. If they had only known, they could have constructed levees made out of cheesecloth to stop the flooding of Katrina!

Oh, wait.... the Bush administration already tried that cheesecloth thing. Didn't work.

Next time, Anon, try reading what you post BEFORE you post it. You might not look as stupid.(It probably won't help all that much, but it's worth a try.)

Evander November 26, 2009 at 7:22 PM  

The facts: No Japanese officers were prosecuted for waterboarding Allied military POWs. They were prosecuted because they waterboarded CIVILIANS. HUGE DIFFERENCE!

A little fact-checking goes a long way in establishing your credibility.

Larry S November 27, 2009 at 6:45 PM  

Well, Evander, I looked at the link that Anonymous provided and Diogenes reviewed. Did you? Because it clearly said that the Japanese were being tried for waterboarding on American POWs, not civilians. It even lists their (the American servicemen's) names.

So, unless you have something specific to the contrary, it appears that you are the one in need of fact-checking.

Chisco,  November 29, 2009 at 7:31 PM  


Holder actually used the old obummer standby excuse that "I've been Attorney General for about 8 or 9 months"....

It's the same old CRAP with all of these people!!!

Larry S November 29, 2009 at 7:55 PM  

Why is it "crap" to point out that Bush & Cheney had 6 years to deal with this -- and they didn't -- and now Obama and COmpany have to "fix" everything in a few months?

Holder's not making excuses; he's stating fact. Granted, facts were in short supply when we heard from Bush administration employees, but surely you remember what "facts" are.

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