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Saturday, November 7, 2009

House of Representatives Passes Health Care Bill by 220-215 Vote - Video 11/7/09

Here is video of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reporting the vote of the House of Representatives in passing the Democrats' Health Care Bill by a vote of 220-215. There were 39 Democrats who voted against the bill, and one lone Republican who voted for it.

Pelosi gained just enough so-called "Blue-Dog" Democrats to support the bill by allowing them to offer and pass an amendment that would prohibit the use of Federal Funds to pay for abortions under the new Health Care System. That appeared to give enough of them cover to vote for the underlying bill and bring about passage. Whether or not that amendment will survive a Senate Bill or the reconciling of the two bills if the Senate passes one, is far from certain.


Anonymous,  November 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM  

Let's see, the Democrats control the House, the Senate and the Presidency and they "passed" this crap they call a bill by 5 votes. Wow. You guys really do suck. Don't worry, this is either going to die in the Senate like your Crap and Fade bill, get challenged Constitutionaly and fail, or 2010 will roll around and we will kick all our your lame asses out of Congress. So go party, because we are going to kick the lot of you out of there and I can't wait!

r4 November 8, 2009 at 3:30 AM  

Such great news! Of course the senate is the thing, but the will of the people are finally being heard!

Anonymous,  November 8, 2009 at 6:53 AM  

Well, I am a democrat, ya know a democrat, not a fking marxist/communist.

I own a small business, this piece of $hit legislation is going severely hurt my business. Forget hiring new people, I may have to lay off a person or 2.

I am embarassed as to what this disgusting party that I used to be a proud member of has become.

You conservatives... NOT necessarily repubs, have Americans like me who will join you in the fight. I am an American FIRST!
Leave the social issues alone, there bigger things, like socialism, that we need to join together and fight against!

As Bush would say (and I cannot believe I am now admitting I would rather have Bush/Cheney back), BRING IT ON!
2010: BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!
I am a democrat, I am leaving my party, becoming an independent and will join with any freedom-loving, consititution-loving Americans to fight against this illegal Piece of $hit!!!!!!!!!

God Bless this beautiful country, and damn the fkers who are destroying it piece by piece!

Anonymous,  November 8, 2009 at 10:58 AM  

R4, have you read the bill? Do you know the underhanded stuff that is in this bill? Do you not see the power grab? The gov't option is pathetic! If they want to create or increase competition all they have to do is allow all the insurance companies to sell across state lines. Then we woul have economy of scale and we would have REAL competition. It's uneducated people like yourself that kills America. We are not socialist, facist, or any of those off beat "philosophies". Mao does not speak for us. Stalin and Lenin are dead for a reason. Mussolini got what he deserved in the end. I am not saying Obama is a socialist, but what I am saying is that his ideals are un-American. The Democrats ideals are un-American at this time as well.

For the previous poster, I am not a registered Democrat or Republican and never have been. I have always been an independant voter. I will never, never vote Democratic after this. This does not guarantee a Republican vote, but the Democrats have sold their souls with Cap and Trade and this Health Care nightmare.

Larry S November 8, 2009 at 4:51 PM  

We'll never have real competition -- even if companies are allowed to sell across state line -- as long as the insurance industry enjoys an antitrust exemption. They all sit in Hartford and smoke their stogies and set their premium rates.

Anonymous,  November 8, 2009 at 7:04 PM  

Larry S, why don't you go to one of those nice Socialist European countries? Right now they are either fleeing their responsibility or going more conservative or they are going bankrupt.

America is a capitalist country, which means there WILL be very very rich people. The best part about that is, you COULD be one of those people. Instead, Larry, you choose to attack the very people who make this country great. The people that make jobs and HIRE productive people, unlike your idle, Obastard, who is currently hiring UNPRODUCTIVE gov't workers.

That is NOT what this country was founded on. If you don't get this, then go read the Federalist/Anti-Federalist papers to get a gist of what the Founders intended. They are certainly wiser than a one liner like yourself.

Get educated and then vote against the Democrats.

Larry S November 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM  

You cannot support free market capitalism AND justofy the insurance antitrust exemption. They're antithetical. Nothing wrong with $$ gained by honest competition... but there isn't any in insurance.

I've read the Federalist papers. I've taught them, even. But that's not all this country was based on, and it certainly isn't all that this country has come to represent in the more than 200 years since they were written.

And I won't be moving to Europe anytime soon. I'm just as much an American as any redneck right wingnut wahoo who thinks you have to have a teabag hanging from your.... hat in order to be a patriot. Not so.

Anonymous,  November 9, 2009 at 7:32 PM  

Larry, unfortunately not everything in life is fair. If it were, we would all be equal, we would all make the same amount of maoney, we would all be smart, we would never have to work a day in our lives, everyone would care about each other ... yada yada yada. Liberal fantasies as usual. As for insurance, the whole point is that you are buying it for the worst case scenario. You are buying it for the just in case something catastrophic goes wrong. If you did not have insurance of any kind, how could normal, average-Joe American pay for a car repair when gets T-boned at an intersection ... or how would they be able to afford fixing an entire basement after a flood ....or pay for major open heart surgery that came from a genetic disorder they didn't even know they had.

So the insurance companies sell a service. They make a profit. That evil bad capitalist thing.

Guess what, lots of other companies sell stuff too. They make profits on them.

That's the nature of capitalism. See a need, fill a need. If you don't what their services, then don't buy them. Stop the whining. I don't want to be required to buy insurance from the gov't.

As for the whole redneck teabag comment, this shows your true stripes. You are a MSNBC groupie. Why don't you go kiss Rachel Madcow and Keith Oldcraphead on the butt. Oh wait, your nose is already too far up the Great Ones butt to do that.

Good grief.

As to what makes a patriot? Someone who is willing to protect our rights. Someone who realizes that giving up some rights for security buys you nothing. Do some research on serfs and feudalism in European Middle Ages. They did the same thing. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

The road to hell is definately paved with good intentions. The Democrats are just laying out the bricks now. Their Crap and Fade as well as the Hellcare bill are just the most recent versions. Thank goodness their bricks are faulty. No one likes to travel down a broken down path....

Lastly, for what this country is based on is indeed in those papers. The men who wrote the most important documents were the ones who authored the Federalist papers as you well know. So yes, that is what this country was founded on. Limited gov't with States rights. George Washington also believed in the same thing.

So go back to your liberal, MSM induced fantasy that the world is just fine the way it is and we'll get back to changing back to what it should be.

Larry S November 9, 2009 at 11:00 PM  

Wow, what a long-winded non-answer to my question. I didn't decry anybody making a profit. I simply asked how you (or anyone else) could claim to be an advocate of free market capitalism AND justify why the insurance industry has an antitrust exemption? An industry with an antitrust exemption is NOT free market in any sense of the term.

Anonymous,  November 10, 2009 at 8:11 AM  

AntiTrust laws suck as they are written. They are usually abused when there is no need. A good example of this is Standard Oil. There is plenty of material on how the law was abused for that case. Then we have the breakup of AT&T. While I understand motives for such things, I also see it as an abuse of power of the government. There should be limits to the kinds of "retribution" people can take against companies. If some industry, like the tobacco industry for example, purposely hides information that is killing people, the great, beat them over the head with the law. There needs to be a market, while not completely unfettered by laws and control, but constructed for people to take chances and not be abused by laws. The current problem we have is that there is a mish mash of laws that are "designed" to keep lids on things. These have not worked out well because there are other laws that put pressures in other directions that cause things to fail. The mortgage industry popped not due to too little regulation, but too much. There were too many rules telling them that they had to put their money in bad investments. Yes, they got greedy and we will be paying for it for a long time, but it was the government who set them up for failure.
I guess the issue, and you and I can agree or disagree, is that there is no one solution to the problem of capitalism and being truly free. There is a line in the sand that must be drawn, but it cannot be such a hard, inflexible line such that innovation is smothered and free will/experimentation is crushed. Govt involvement in healthcare is pathetic. Medicare and Medicaid are two good examples of this. They are both going bankrupt and we are paying ever more money into a system. I also don't know how old you are Larry, but I am in my mid 30's. I pay the entire amount allowable right now under law for Social Security. Yet another govt program going broke. I will not see this money when I retire. Just like Medicare and Medicaid, they are all ponzi schemes designed with populist beliefs. The problem is, these should not exist in our society. Unless some better system is devised, the govt is essentially taxing me to pay for my parents Social Security and Medicare/aid. I am not paying for myself. Thus I am spending $7000+ a year for something I will never see. Healthcare is going to turn into the same boondoggle.
The estimated costs were listed as $1 trillion in the next 10 years. The problem is that in the first 4 years, we are taxed and there is no expenditure. So if you were to look at a real set of 10 years with full expenditures, we are talking 2-2.5 trillion. Last I check we didn't have any money. So now we should spend like drunken sailors for some populist beliefs? Sorry, I don't buy that. I was out of work for 3 months and did EVERYTHING I could not to spend money. That's because I did not have an income source to justify this. I expect my government to be the same.
Let's just add one more thing to this pyre while we are at it (yes, I am long winded because I hate all politicians). Bush was not my kind of president either before anyone else asks. He spent like a Democrat for 8 years and did NOT practice his conservative beliefs well. The only "good" years were during Clinton when a Republican Congress held a Democrat at bay and we were able to reverse the spending. We need that again. We need to kick the Dems out who cause our crash, who are now just piling on debt with no care for you or me. My three kids will be in debt, if there is an America when they get older, and will NEVER be able to out from underneath of it. It is predicted that the debt to GDP ratio will go from 40% to 80+ in under 8 years because of the Democrats. That is insane.

Larry S November 10, 2009 at 4:50 PM  

I give up, Anonymous. every time I repeat my question, you come up with an even lengthier off-base "answer". I don't care how convoluted antitrust legislation is or isn't; on what basis does the insurance industry qualify for an antitrust EXEMPTION? Answer: it doesn't. They've gamed the system, and they pretend that there's real competition to maintain their predatory monopolistic practices. It's not about making a profit, it's about rigging the game.

Anonymous,  November 10, 2009 at 8:57 PM  

Let me be more clear then. AntiTrust laws need to be repealed. They are too powerful. What gives a government that much power as to determine that it knows what is best for an industry? I've seen them applied in my life time for reasons that do not make sense. Capitalism does not need to be unfettered, but the rules need to be more common sense. By breaking up companies, you end up hurting the employees more than the people who caused the issue.


Cary,  November 11, 2009 at 10:21 AM  

Larry, I agree with you, the Antitrust Exemption is not needed nor justified. However, instead of pushing an extended involvment of the gov't in the healthcare market, why not just push for the removal of the exemption? The same logic applies for waste/fraud reduction, interstate competition, and etc. However, the Dems are trying to make the argument that they will not fix this individual pieces without a complete overhaul of the system. Did I say overhaul, I meant TAKEOVER. I am not a democrat or republican. They are both for larger gov't which also equates to reduced freedom. The States are the key in getting this country back on track. We all need to push our state representatives to pursue nullification of constitutional ammendments, starting with the 17th and 16th.

None of this is about healthcare. Insurance does not make you well. This is all about power. Just imagine, the debacle we have now with each election where candidates are fighting for you vote with tax favors/penalties will now be mirrored with healthcare favors/penalties. Boy, how I can't wait for those well qualified career politicians to tweak my life even further every 2 to 4 years. As if the Wealth Envy we have now isn't bad enough, we are steadily creating Health Envy.

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