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Saturday, September 12, 2009

Video Shows Massive Crowd Gathered for 9/12 "March on Washington" - Video 9/12/09

Here is an awesome video showing the progressive gathering of the massive crowd at the 9/12 "Taxpayers March on Washington" today. You can see the U.S. Capitol in the distance, where the massive crowd marched to from Freedom Plaza.

The video shows the crowd gradually growing and marching down the street to the Capitol. It is clearly a crowd in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. So far, estimates have ranged from "tens of thousands" to "1.5 - 2 million."


Anonymous,  September 12, 2009 at 6:24 PM  

My husband and I were there. 5,850 feet in one mile, and the crowd stretched about that far from the Capitol down the Mall. It was an amazing phenomenon that we were honored to be a part of.

I confirmed with a police officer that there were ZERO ARRESTS today.

I walked past several overspilling garbage recepticles and while the garbage and signs were tossed at the end of the March, but there was NO LITTERING ELSEWHERE!

People were among friends, among like-minds. We expressed how we felt about our great country, about the freedoms and liberty that our fore fathers provided us - a Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under GOD, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for ALL. We The People have spoken and we are coming together to dissent and will no longer be bullied by Congress - those we elected to represent US!

Today was a historical day and we are so proud we were a part of it!

Anonymous,  September 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM  

I also attended the march today, with great pride! I came home to turn on the news and see what was reported and was OUTRAGED to see a woman on Fox, a Ms. Greene, saying we were "plants" and compared us to the KKK. I saw many, many people who were their with their husbands, wives, kids, friends and NONE of us were plants, with a hidden agenda.

I anxiously await the next Tea Party!! GO AMERICA!

Diogenes September 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM  

"It is clearly a crowd in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. So far, estimates have ranged from "tens of thousands" to 1.5 - 2 million."

WOW. That IS impressive!

Well, it would be impressive, if it were true... or even close to true.

But (big surprise here) it's just another lie from the rightwingnut community.


CNN’s website doesn’t offer any estimate of the crowd size at all:


ABC News’ website says "approximately 60,000 to 70,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the Washington DC Fire Department."


But who can trust "liberal" MSM sources, anyway? Let’s see what Faux News has to say on its website:

"The tens of thousands of protesters marched to the U.S. Capitol…"


Ahhhh, but the "police estimate" was that 1.2 million attended, right? Uhhhh, no, not exactly.

According to USA Today:
"Both the U.S. Capitol Police and the U.S. Park Police said Friday that they were boosting staffing for the event. They declined to provide crowd estimates."


Well, that was yesterday; maybe they changed their minds today and issued an estimate? Not according to the LA Times:

"Park police declined to provide an official crowd estimate."


Well, what does the conservative Wall Street Journal have to say?

"A spokesman for D.C. Fire and Emergency Medical Services estimated the crowd at 'in excess of 75,000' people. Local and federal law enforcement authorities don't provide crowd estimates."


So what IS the true story?

HUH! Who woulda figured? Michelle Malkin lied. She made it all up in her little pea brain.

"Michelle Malkin's claim about 2 million protesters today 'is a total myth' So tweeted ABC News' Yunji de Nies, responding to Malkin's ballyhooed, and completely unsubstantiated, claim that ABC News had pegged today's tea party crowd at 2 million. As I noted, nobody else but Malkin can find that ABC News report. (Malkin conventiently failed to post a link.) Not even people who report for ABC News. Did that number, and did that ABC News bulletin, come to Malkin in a dream last night, or did she simply manufacture today? Take your pick. Either way, it's always comical when right-wingers try their hand at journalism."


But it is kinda nice that all you teabaggers enjoyed yourself. SOunds like a nice little party!

Anonymous,  September 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM  

Diogenes - thanks for your comments libtard - time for you to go get some more kool-aid and bow to your master

Diogenes September 12, 2009 at 8:50 PM  

Not MY comments, kind sir. Just reputable news sources; heck, even Faux News got some play. And one highly irreputable source: Michelle Malkin.

Unknown September 12, 2009 at 9:00 PM  

This was predicted that the left would try to deflect the message towards an argument about the actual number of people at the March. The fact is a whole bunch of people were there and it surprised everyone even the alphabet channels.

Who cares what the count is? Just look at the evidence. As one CNN reporter exclaimed "its as if they have the entire capitol area filled!"

Anyone who has attended a stadium event can estimate 70,000 and it is clear from the footage and the stills several stadiums of people were there. If one wishes to dispute that whatever. Maybe one can convince me to betray my lying eyes.

Brian September 12, 2009 at 9:28 PM  

For someone who seems to think this event was of little consequence, you sure took a lot of time and energy to try and knock it down.

It was a huge crowd, and it is impossible to come up with exact numbers. The sources you quoted are no more believeable to me than what I can see with my own eyes on the video of the crowed filling Pennsylvania avenue and the Mall. And no more believable than the eyewitnesses who are giving testimony of what they saw and heard for themselves.

Angry Mobster,  September 13, 2009 at 1:15 AM  

Every one of the "70,000" figures comes from the same mysterious spokesman of the DC Fire Department and EMS. I know only us hicks go to NASCAR events, but I can pretty much tell you what 125,000 looks like, and there were that many people still there at 4:00.

Unknown September 13, 2009 at 7:38 AM  

Curious why the Park Police refuse to estimate the crowd, eh Diogenes?

Anonymous,  September 13, 2009 at 11:32 AM  

Accurate analysis and crowd estimates from ACORN confirms that there were less than 50 protesters most wearing KKK hoods.
The photos showing a massive crowd were all fakes like the Moon landing charade in 1969. The 4 million people were actually advocates for socialist justice.Signs such as the thousands reading Obama President for Life were altered by sophisticated computer techniques to show racist and patriotic drivel designed by the illiterate morons who oppose justice, and righteousness for all oppressed creatures on this Republican ravaged world.

Diogenes September 13, 2009 at 12:35 PM  

Russ, from what I've seen in doing a little research on this, most sources say that D.C. authorities haven't provided official estimates of crowd sizes for protests in D.C. in quite some time.

Orca, you're right about it being quite predictable that a dispute over crowd size was inevitable. Primarily because it was quite predictable that the rightwingnut community would make outrageous claims of the crowd size, and the lefties would look to provide more accurate numbers.

It comes out now that Malkin's error was in not bothering to do any fact-checking of her own before she erroneously reported the 1.2 million figure. It wasn't CNN that said it, and it wasn't ABC. No, the number came from none other that Freedom Works itself, flasely announcing that ABC had pegged the attendance at 1.0 to 1.5 million:

"ABC News Was Misquoted on Crowd Size

ABC News Reported D.C. Rally Size in Tens of Thousands, Not 1M to 1.5M as Activist Said.

Sept. 12, 2009—

Conservative activists, who organized a march on the U.S. Capitol today in protest of the Obama administration's health care agenda and government spending, erroneously attributed reports on the size of the crowds to ABC News.

Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.

At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as "tens of thousands."

Brendan Steinhauser, spokesman for FreedomWorks, said he did not know why Kibbe cited ABC News as a source.

As a result of Kibbe's erroneous attribution, several bloggers and commenters repeated the misinformation.


Anonymous,  September 13, 2009 at 12:47 PM  

Good Lord! Leave to to the nay-sayers to try and make the major issue a silly argument over how many people were there. Do you have a point in bringing this up, other than detracting from that fact that so many people actually did show up?!!

As stated here earlier and as I observed live on CNN, "it's as if they have the entire capitol filled".

75,000 or 750,000, a LOT of people are deeply concerned and demonstrated it yesterday by spending their own money, giving up their weekend, and traveling, in many cases hundreds and hundreds of miles, to show how they felt.

Anonymous,  September 13, 2009 at 12:47 PM  

Good Lord! Leave to to the nay-sayers to try and make the major issue a silly argument over how many people were there. Do you have a point in bringing this up, other than detracting from that fact that so many people actually did show up?!!

As stated here earlier and as I observed live on CNN, "it's as if they have the entire capitol filled".

75,000 or 750,000, a LOT of people are deeply concerned and demonstrated it yesterday by spending their own money, giving up their weekend, and traveling, in many cases hundreds and hundreds of miles, to show how they felt.

Diogenes September 13, 2009 at 1:30 PM  

I will agree on one point: the number of people that showed up is largely irrelevant. How many of those who showed up do you figure actually voted FOR Obama last November? Answer: damn few.

So what the whle day came down to is this: a whole lot of people who never liked Obama got together to show that... they don't like Obama. BFD. They're pissed. BFD. We were pissed for eight years of Bush and Big Dick. Get used to it; it's out eight years now. :-)

TheBob912,  September 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM  

I'd have your crystal ball checked - sounds like it is malfunctioning.

Good point you raised but I wonder about your conclusion. How many people who voted for Obama ARE disappointed? Remember, the election was not a landslide by any stretch. If 3 or 4 percent have had a change of heart, that would retrospectively put McCain in office.

Let's (ALL of us) try to focus on why Glenn Beck founded his 912 Project: Focus not on left and right but more on ridding Washington of corruption and runaway power (and yes, we all acknowledge that the problems didn't start only recently -- We all know Obama "inherited" much of the problem we are suffering now. But the problem is, he is perpetuating it)

Can we at least agree that unchecked Federal-level power and corruption crosses the aisle and is unacceptable.

Bornfree Taxtadeth September 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM  

The 70,000 number came from the original estimated size of the march, and the Fire Dept. safety estimate of the capacity of Freedom Square. This was the projected estimate of the expected crowd at 1130. The Capitol police ordered the march to begin at 0930, because Freedom Square had REACHED IT'S MAXIMUM SAFETY CAPACITY two hours before the event. The crowd filled the west lawn and spilled into the National Mall, where the Capitol Police tried to prevent overflow into the mall, but for safety reasons they permitted the attendees to fill the Mall ALMOST AS FAR AS 9TH STREET. I was there. You can try to prevent the truth from escaping, but every single person that was there is fired up,and you can't stop first-person eyewitness accounts from leaking out.

Diogenes September 13, 2009 at 3:12 PM  

Eric, I'm glad you were all fired up, but an eyewitness account of somebody at street level of the crowd size isn't the most accurate.

And, TheBob, Obama won by almost 10 million votes, almost 70million to almost 60 million for McCain. About 53% to 46%. That's a decent cushion.

Anonymous,  September 13, 2009 at 4:31 PM  

Good on you Diogenes. Patient, thoughtful, full of links to reputable sources. Thank you for posting. I didn't originally think that crowd size was important either, (enthusiasm for your belief carries the day) until I read Malkin's declaration. Accepting a statement on a blog, that provided no link to the claim, is irresponsible.

Blind acceptance of unsubstantiated truth(s), without checking them out for yourselves, only makes others believe that you have either lost control of your faculties, or are quick to use lies to try and bolster a point of view. It also makes those who push falsehoods, or those that refuse to see or hear the truth, look desperate. It has a tendency to turn other people off.

Thanks again Diogenes.

Anonymous,  September 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM  

Hey Diogenes, Here's a little more research for you since you believe in it so heavily. The Park Service stopped doing head counts in D.C. in 1996 due to budget cuts. Obama for some strange reason (budget surplus) decided to resume a head count at his inauguration-surprise, surprise. Even so, the park service uses this diagram as an estimate:
The area in front of the Capitol building holds 240,000. The crowd extended halfway to the Washington monument. Conservative estimates would show an additional 300,000 people. Regardless of any argument you may present, there were a lot of upset people there. There are a lot of issues at hand. People were from Alaska, Hawaii, Texas. It's probably a safe assumption that people were from every state, blue or red. There are BIG problems. Face it. The discontent will continue to grow. You can help or continue to be smug-your choice.

Diogenes September 13, 2009 at 8:33 PM  

Interesting research you did, and largely ignored. You claim the Capitol grounds holds 240,000 but that's not what the USA Today article says, is it? "Average density is one person per 5 square feet. A tightly packed crowd has a density of one person per 2.5 square feet." And the 240,000 is based on the 2.5 density, which is reasonable, since the people were sitting in pre-staged chairs at the inaugural.

The biggets problem we face right now is a whole bunch of rightwingnuts who simply cannot accept that the election is over and done with. YOU LOST. Get over it. Move on. Win the next one, if you're so fired up. But quit trying to take down the rightfully-elected President, by any means necessary, in the meantime.

I AM helping. But I'm not bending over for rightwingnuts. We'll compromise, if necessary and if appropriate, but not with a bunch of loonies that only say "no" and offer no compromise on their end, either.

When rightwingnuts quit claiming that there are "death panels" when there aren't any such thing...

When rightwingnuts quit claiming that illegal aliens are being covered, when they're not....

When rightwingnuts quit claiming that abortions are being federally funded, when they're not...

Maybe THEN intelligent debate can begin.

But if the rightwingnut community refuses to stop with their nonsense, then screw 'em. We'll do what is needed to fix this country, with or without you. That's not smugness -- that's pragmatism.

Piponacci September 13, 2009 at 9:20 PM  

Diogenes, leave it up to the NeoCOMMs to get it wrong again. You know just as well as anyone who say the aerial shots that there were a few hundred thousand to a mill and a half there. Bus loads were turned away because it was too packed. I have to hand it to you though, you are trying awfully hard to discredit what everyone else in America saw with their own two eyes. I hate to tell you this, but you are projecting just how impressive the turnout actually was and how concerned you all really are about the momentum we have by the remarkable effort you are making to discredit every possible number out there.

Are other NeoCOMMs this easy to fool? Is that what you're counting on? Every old school Dem knows what's up at this point, they're not as easily kept as you'd like to think. They too have eyes you know.

Diogenes September 13, 2009 at 9:34 PM  

You're right, we're intentionally underestimating. We know that there were 70 million people there, and every single one of them voted for Obama last November. You guys are in the driver's seat. Take the next election off in 2010; you've got it in the bag.

What you had was a large crowd of old white people that are pissed off because they feel their way of life is being threatened by a young black man who has what appears to be some sort of a social conscience. So sad, too bad; it's a new and better day for America.

Piponacci September 13, 2009 at 10:44 PM  

Yes, I am right, why wouldn't you intentionally estimate the crowd as low as possible? Again, you think you're fooling people. Your sarcasm doesn't lend credibility to the argument you are making. You little bloggers are all trying way too hard to low ball the estimate while trying to convince everyone the tea parties are anything but what they are... a massive groundswell of capitalists blocking the Progressive Socialists who have hijacked the Democrat Party.

You know that old school Democrats would never approve of this agenda if they were aware of it. Many are still politically ignorant, just voting the way their old man told em to back in the 60's & consumed with watching baseball and Entertainment Tonight to know what you NeoCOMMs are up to.

We're waking them up, and believe me, they know Socialism when they see it, they watched it destroy many countries in their day. Forget about Obama, we know he's just a puppet reading off a teleprompter. We respect his ability to give speeches and inspire people to believe the need to "fundamentally transform America" and to "rebuild America" rather than restore America.

He is good at what he does, and the Socialists behind him are good at what they do. I understand your fear, it is legitimate and the incredible backlash against the crowd estimates from what seems to be everyone one of the thousands of little Socialist bloggers out there legitimizes our movement to restore America.

Thanks for paying soooo much attention to it. The media silence and your desperate attempts wrapped in such manic emotion contributes to the general sentiment on the ground that we are dead right.

Anonymous,  September 14, 2009 at 12:31 AM  

Please keep in mind that over half of the people disagree with the President's idea of trying to take over the health care system.
There were tea parties all over the USA. The people that disagree with Obama's liberal policies now number in the tens of millions. (not 70 thou.) Many people just don't want to admit they made a mistake on voting for Obama. I have friends that voted for him and they grumble about him and wonder why he is destroying our economy with more debt and taxes. Obama has people that are against his policies that are democrats, republican,conservatives,black, white,etc. and the number grows daily.

Rubin,  September 14, 2009 at 8:53 AM  

I want to say that that my wife, 4 yr old daughter, 8 yr old son, and myself were at the march. And I have to say there was nothing in the world that made me feel like an American than the experience. My wife and I are both part Native Americans and there was nothing negative nor racial about this march. We are honored and humbled to have been in the presence of such wonderful and respectful americans. I felt as if we were a huge family gathering for a family reunion. It was that comfortable!! God Bless All of You There and God Bless America!!!

Anonymous,  September 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM  

And, no one is even mentioning all the other protests that were held around the country. Add all those numbers with the number of people who marched in DC, and you have a whole lot of seriously dissatisfied Americans.

Anonymous,  September 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM  

You woin't see an estimate of crowd size coming from Washington. Here's why-From Wikipedia:

After the Million Man March, the Park Police ceased making official crowd size estimates. March organizers were shocked when the United States Park Police officially estimated the crowd size at 400,000. Farrakhan threatened to sue the National Park Service due to the controversial low estimate from the Park Police.
In the 1997 appropriations bill for the Department of the Interior, Congress included language that prohibits the National Park Service from conducting crowd estimates in the District of Columbia. The legislation also states that if event organizers want crowd estimates, they should contract with an outside agency.[37]

Kelly,  September 15, 2009 at 10:20 PM  

Whether there were 7 people or 70K people, or 700K people, remember this: there were millions sitting at home thinking "I wish I was there".

Diogenes September 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM  

And even more millions wondering how many of the marchers would make it back home in time for their Saturday night Klan meetings.

Unknown September 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM  


Anonymous,  September 17, 2009 at 1:37 AM  

Diogenes...your insults and attacks are a confirmation that the left's denial and propaganda machine are in crisis mode...sadly you have been upstaged by your parties greatest embarrassment in this century...Pres. Carter was wheeled out to slap down the race card....what a joke...and a confirmation of your indignation over the right's ability to muster a serious and powerful obstructive force in opposition to our new president's extra-constitutional agenda. Whatever is making you act so pitifully...please understand that the race baiting and hatred seems to be coming mostly from you and your side of the aisle.....interesting,no??

Diogenes September 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM  

Carter is correct in what he said, but he shouldn't have chosen this time to say it.

To suggest that our racial differences have dissolved now that we have elected a black man President is ludicrous... ESPECIALLY in light of the overwhelming amount of venom hurled at that President.

I'm not saying (and I don't think Carter said it, either) that ANY criticism of President Obama is race-based. But you will never convince me that a significant portion of the hatred shown Obama by the far rightwingnuts is NOT race-based.

And of COURSE you'll only hear that from the Democratic side of the aisle. Would you expect many rightwingers to be stupid enough to stand up and expressly say "black men are inferior"???

Unknown September 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM  

Diogenes, I am sorry you hold such hate and anger toward someone like me. I am just a hard working America, I pay my taxes, support my local community, and aside from the fact that I vote come election time I have never, ever been to a protest of any sort, until now. I went to this event in Washington and was amazed at how many people were there, people of every race and color, and all ages. Yes, there was a majority of "white" people there but much of that was demographics; I didn't vote for our President but I was proud that we had finally elected a "black-American" President, very proud that we had come so far since the days of Rosa Parks, an American hero for standing up for freedom. I traveled to Washington DC from Texas with some neighbors, we are not some fringe, right winged, nut bags, we are exercising our rights, as Americans, to peaceful dissent and to protest certain issues we have with our elected Representatives who are not listening to us... why should we not protest this massive, out of control spending that is strapping our children and grandchildren with such massive debt it will be impossible to repay? Right now we borrow money just to pay the interest on money we have already borrowed! Insanity! We need and want less government control and spending and to have the Constitution respected and adhered to by the member of our government. That is why I went to Washington using my own money with a hand made sign that read "Without Freedom We Have Nothing". That is what I believe and I see our freedoms slipping away while we are "sleeping". We are awake now and we are a growing force to be reckoned with. We are not of any particular party either, and if the Democrats or Republicans think they can just align themselves with us and get elected they have another thing coming. To gain our votes they must demonstrate a true belief in the 9-12 principals. To learn what that means go to the 9-12 project website for additional information. Furthermore, I am dismayed that there is an effort "out there" that is dividing America more than ever along lines of color. We are one people, one nation, we are Americans...that is the only name we should use in reference to ourselves and each other. Fostering racial hatred is despicable and Jimmy Carter should be ashamed of himself.

Diogenes September 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM  

Lydia, I don't have any issue with you, or people like you. And the racists taht were amongst the teabaggers, I don't hate them, I laugh at them. But Jimmy Carter told some truth, truth that way too many don't want to hear. I do disagree on the timing of his comments, and I wouldn't go so far as he did, to say "most" of the criticism of Obama is race-based.

But it is most definitely there. All the Muslim nonsense, all the Kenyan birth certificate nonsense, all the watermelons-and-fried-chicken-at-the-White-House nonsense. There was never talk of a violent overthrow of the American government. We didn't have yahoos strapping sidearms to their legs, attending presidential functions.

I'm guessing that Jimmy Carter wasn't talking about you and your friends. But he has little reason to be ashamed of his comments. He's being honest.

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