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Thursday, July 9, 2009

House Resolution 615 Calls on Socialized Medicine Supporters to Use it Themselves - Video 7/9/09

Here is video of Louisiana GOP Congressman John Fleming explaining his House Resolution 615 that would call on House members who vote for Government Health Care to choose that option for themselves and their family.


Anonymous,  July 9, 2009 at 10:06 PM  

Did it pass?!

Dan Kidder July 13, 2009 at 9:32 AM  

Not a chance in hell this will pass.

joe July 16, 2009 at 1:16 PM  

too bad he spends the taxpayer's money thinking of ways to make partisan attacks. typical of republicans. i wish they were more worried about acutally helping the american people out some, instead of being so focused on attacking the party that defeated them.

jrhurd July 19, 2009 at 5:19 PM  

"joe said" Is that you Mr Vice President?????

Anonymous,  August 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM  

AMEN! It's about time congress join the rest of us!

Anna August 10, 2009 at 9:15 PM  

Some people are still talking about who won or lost the election like it was the Super Bowl or something. It would be better if we all started thinking about what we are about to lose. It this health care (as it is called) thing passes those of us who work or have worked in order to keep decent health care will be forced to "spread the wealth" and share our earnings with those who have never made an effort. I have no problem helping people who have had a little bad luck or for one good reason or another never had a chance but there are a whole lot of freeloaders out there just waiting for another hand out. Close the borders, drug test welfare recipients (like most americans are who hold down full time jobs) and stop taking what I have worked for the last 40 years and handing it to those who haven't.

Diogenes August 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM  

Very very few "freeloaders" (as you so graciously termed them) wold benefit from any of these proposals. Why? Because if they're welfare recipients already, they're amost certainly eligible for Medicaid coverage, so they HAVE insurance. Most of these people will be folks who had coverage but lost it when then lost their jobs. OR they're folks that work hard, but they can't get affordable health insurance because they or a family members has a chronic medical condition (hyptertension, diabetes, etc) that no isnurance company will cover.

As far as taking it from you and handing it to someone else, guess what? You're ALREADY paying a lot for the uninsured, in that hospitals build into YOUR bill many of the costs of providing necessary services to uninsured patients. And insurance companies charge you higher premiums that they should have to to cover your expenses, because they know they're paying for you AND for that uninsured guy. Alowing those uninsured folks the opportunity to buy their own insurance will give them coverage (and thereby not bankrupting their families when a sinificant medical issue occurs) and it will probably LESSEN the total dollars you wind up spending for the uninsured. That's why medical costs are spiraling out of control, and that's why we all would benefit from reform.

Anonymous,  August 20, 2009 at 9:52 AM  

What about the level of care we'll get???? They'll be less doctors and nurses going into this field because their salary's will drop considerably. No more making appointments at your convenience. We'll probably have to go to a clinic take a number and wait your turn. That's the way medical assistance used to work. If you give up control now you never get it back. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR....Don't drink that cool aid just because "your friend" tells you too....

Anonymous,  August 20, 2009 at 10:28 PM  

Government run Healthcare ,public option , THIS NOT AN OPTION, HR3200 is unacceptable and the people of this country who dont agree with this should continue to speak up and let their voices be heard.

Anonymous,  August 22, 2009 at 6:59 PM  

Rep.Fleming is on the right track but why is he holding back? Please take note, his proposal says those who "vote for" the reform should be required to be covered by it. Does that mean that all current and future Congressmen and Senators who vote against it or don't/didn't vote get to keep the prized coverage they have?
Rep. Fleming and co-sponsors need to make it clear and simple; ALL people including Congress, Supreme Court J's, the President and Cabinet personnel, and all Fed Gov employees be put on the same coverage as the rest of America. Stop the play on words. Stop the smoke and mirrors antics. By the way, why are some politicians so intent on passing this terribly flawed plan? What's in it for them? Someone also needs to take a long hard look at the effect the legal profession/system has had on the cost of health care. Ask your doctor how much they pay for malpractice insurance and why? This is bad medicine and another step toward socialism. America should continue to voice its opposition to this proposed "reform".

Anonymous,  August 24, 2009 at 1:17 PM  

OMG.... when will the public ever know the real truth.

Anonymous,  August 25, 2009 at 6:22 PM  




Anonymous,  August 26, 2009 at 9:10 AM  

There is no way this will pass and is a pure waste of time. Why don't you all do something that has a chance of really working. Every last one of you should be fired. Not today or tomorrow but months ago.

Mike Singer,  August 27, 2009 at 11:28 PM  

I understand that language to stop government funded abortion was submitted five (5) times by five different congressmen to the Obama Health Plan and Five times it was rejected. They didn't want that type of languate their Holy plan.

Now they can say explicit Government funded abotrion in not in the plan. But their actions show they will not allow language to deny it.

Why are we having to argue with OUR ELECTED leaders who were sworn to finght for the voters wishes - no matter how wrong the may be. Now they are swearing at us. as though we have no choice.

Polititians know there is and will be voter apathy of well over 65% of the tax payers.

There are just over 50% of the taxpayers registered to vote and about 50% are NOT registered. Of the registered, less than 50% show up to vote. That's only 25% of the population. It only takes a simple majority of those to win a reelection issue.

There ya have it. 13% of the taxpayers can be the majority on election.

13% of the population can elect a Neophyte or push through a social tax.

Anonymous,  August 30, 2009 at 10:25 PM  

The Socialist Party candidate for President of the US, Norman Thomas, said this in a 1944 speech:
The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform. What more needs to be said?!

Anonymous,  September 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM  

Great idea; it is way pass time for our elected officials to participate in the same plan they propose for all of us. It will be interesting to learn how many are willing to do so. I doubt there will be many of either party who would do it, but I hope I am wrong.

Bunny Swan,  September 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM  

I think this is a great idea. If they so believe in a government health care system, why DON'T they sign up for it? If they are confident enough in the health care reform to vote for it, they should model this confidence to America. This would be more effective in encouraging Americans to make this choice rather than merely telling us how effective it is. If it really is beneficial, why not take the initiative to show Americans that it really can help them out?

Anonymous,  September 7, 2009 at 1:58 AM  

I feel sure that Congress has a Government plan,though it will be better than what they give us.
However, I have Medicare and like it better than most of the plans out there.
I know some one that spent 23 years in the MIlitary and is on Veterans insurance yet says he doesn't want Government running his healthcare plan. He runs Gov.down all the time, or rather the Dems. He is bitingthe handthat feeds him, literaly.

Miles,  September 7, 2009 at 7:03 AM  

Sounds simple enough. Don't vote for something you wouldn't want for yourself. Many of you people are missing the point. This isn't a poll on whether it is a good plan or not. It is a poll to see if you think that the people responsible for passing or rejecting it would have it for themselves. Do you really want something that they don't want?

Anonymous,  September 9, 2009 at 7:42 AM  

I have written my Senators and Congress Woman asking them vote NO for a "trigger." This will only delay a single Government payer plan. In other words the trigger will be tripped and we will still get the government plan in 5 years because there is no way insurance premiums will go down, especially with the government adding more regulations to the insurance companies. Please write your representatives. Payson, Arizona.

Anonymous,  September 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM  

I do not understand all you conservatives and the rant against "socialism". Firstly, you should look up the definition of socialism. All you guys state that the "government cannot run anything". BUT the police, fire, road maintenance, FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, Navy, Army, Air Force, Marines, VA hospitals and military hospitals are all run by the government.

Let’s just privatize everything. Now your police & fire protection are controlled by a "for profit" outfit that won with the "lowest bid". How safe would you feel? Plus you would be paying a bill directly to the "for profit" company that can set any price it wants (i.e., capitalism at work).

Every time you drive to the grocery store, you would pay a toll to the "for profit" road maintenance company who could charge whatever they want since we are now dealing with pure capitalism.

Not sure how to do a private military or how well that would work.

I am sure that all you conservatives do not really want to privatize everything since your cost would increase. So you are really "situational conservatives"; in other words, conservative when it does not cost you too much. If you are okay, then it is okay to be a conservative and screw all those not so lucky.

So all you "situational conservatives" REALLY prefer to pay taxes which spread the cost over everyone; so everyone “shares” in the cost of police, fire, etc. WOW ... conservatives that agree to taxes and agree that the government can run some things very well!!

Now add these thoughts to health care. Conservatives are happy to pay taxes for police and fire but not for health care. Very few of us will ever “directly” need police or fire protection, we pay taxes "just in case". BUT EVERYONE WILL HAVE HEALTH ISSUES at some point in their lives. So you are okay to pay "just in case" but NOT okay to pay when you will need it???

You may be okay "at the moment" because your company is picking up the tab but as the cost increases (and it is increasing faster than all other costs), your company will increase your portion or make you pay all of it. What if you lose your job and can no longer pay for health insurance? You might be glad to pay a much smaller portion in the form of taxes that spreads the cost much like police, fire, etc.

Think about it BEFORE you disrupt any more discussions on the subject.

Also, remember Rush Limbaugh and Beck and other talk show idiots already have millions of dollars so health care is not THEIR ISSUE but it is yours!

Anonymous,  October 1, 2009 at 10:17 AM  

A friend who lives in Canada had this to say about their "Nation Health Care"....
"Out here [BC, Canada] the medical big wigs allow only certain amount of patients to be seen by doctors on any given day.. doctors used to see patients as long as there were patients but the government did not want to pay so much out every day.. so they decided what the "allowable" amount of patients per day should be and once doctors see that amount that's it..if they see more then that they can't bill the government for payment. So 2 of the clinics which open till 9pm had already closed by 3:30 because they had seen their allowable amounts of people. And because of that then people just turn around and go to ER for colds and flues .. minor things that should never be in the ER.. and you can wait at minimum of 4 hours just to get to the triage nurse let alone to see an actual doctor.. ER does not fall under the quota amounts.. stupid huh?"

We have friends who live in the UK who have had the same problems as our friends in Canada. They also say that the UK is being over ran by people from other countries seeking "FREE" health care. And just like the US it comes out of their Tax Dollars which really means it comes out of your pocket and mine.

Anonymous,  October 1, 2009 at 10:37 AM  

Here is one for you....

I am Native American. The US Government signed an agreement to provide health care for ALL Native Americans. Due to budget cuts and our economy there is only enough funds to cover the more serious medical needs.

My tribal leaders foreseeing the lack of health care this would bring upon our tribe brought before the tribal membership a plan to provide each tribal member with health insurance through a group policy.

This means my tribe is no longer dependent on the Government for health care. We pay for this coverage out of pocket, no Government Grants. We have become self-reliant. Part of becoming self-reliant means do not have any tribal members on Welfare either.

So...what does this have to do with "Obama Care"? It means that Obama want to tax us for providing our own health insurance as a tribe and individually.

As for Glenn Beck... I am one of many Native Americans who think Glenn Beck has hit the nail right on the head. He must be right or so many leftists wouldn't be so mad about what he has to say.

Trish,  October 1, 2009 at 2:55 PM  

Diogenes said "Very very few "freeloaders" (as you so graciously termed them) wold benefit from any of these proposals. Why? Because if they're welfare recipients already, they're amost certainly eligible for Medicaid coverage, so they HAVE insurance."
In my state, Texas, elegible children are only accepted for Medicaid across the board, not adults. Adult medicaid is limited to such situations as pregnant women, disabled, & elderly. You can bet that when most of these "freeloading" adults get hurt or sick, they visit emergency rooms or doctors who will allow payment plans, then they never pay. Doctors and Hospitals end up selling it to collection agencys for pennies on the dollar so they can write it off their books. This drives up the health care costs for others as it stands right now. We're already paying for their health care. The difference in the new health plan is that we will still pay for their health care but those who work and pay for their own insurance will not have the choices and benefits of health care that we currently do.
I believe we need to fix the healthcare system. There are flaws, such as the pre-existing condition clauses that cause so many terminally ill patients to not be able to afford care. We could work through ways to bring the costs down also, but not this way. This is similar to the government run HC in the UK and CA, it will hurt people in the long run. Mark my words! This government HC (Obama-care) plan is not being put in place to help people, It is being put in place as a measure of control. If you don't believe me, just sit back and watch what happens. OPEN your eyes! It's not just happening in HC but in several forms of government branches and issues. Bailouts. Housing. Automotive. Stock Market. Employment...the list goes on. In America we have had such freedom that we believe we are so free that no one could take it away. Sadly most americans are being convinced into thinking that they want to be controlled, and at the same time are being brainwashed into thinking that they will still be a free country while in complete control of the government.
If we don't do something to stop this now, all I can say is that sad times are a comin!

Trisha,  October 1, 2009 at 2:59 PM  

As for John Fleming. It's a point he is trying to get across. The golden rule. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." He wants them to put themselves in the shoes of the people and say "no" to something that would not be acceptable to themselves or their families.

Anonymous,  November 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM  

...........why would anyone want government provided anything, protect the borders and my rights.lower taxes, less government and with gods help a better world.........

Dennis November 5, 2009 at 8:50 AM  

Finally, there was someone that really understood the thought of the Congress using the same things that us that elect them have to use. Ironic that the Congress that is suppose to work for use doesn't have to abide by the same laws and rules they want us to live under.

Anonymous,  November 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM  

For the individual who indicated that having police, fire service, FBI and military was basically socialism and said that we should look up the definition of socialism here it is: Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or government ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. A System of society or group living in which there is no private property. Heading down that road is just plain terrifying. Jeez, WAKE UP

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